Comments on: September/October 2008 Proclamation! – The Brickell Story: Objection, Relevance! http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/ Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:13:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: vitamin http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-1557 vitamin Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:10:03 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-1557 <strong> Lip http://vfurnitureumdof.BESTPARTSPLUS.INFO/tag/Vitamin+E+Perfectly+Pure+Lip+Gloss+pure+vitamin/ : pure...</strong> vitamin... Lip http://vfurnitureumdof.BESTPARTSPLUS.INFO/tag/Vitamin+E+Perfectly+Pure+Lip+Gloss+pure+vitamin/ : pure…

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]]> By: Crasty http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-766 Crasty Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:16:39 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-766 Are you a professional journalist? You write very well. Are you a professional journalist? You write very well.

]]> By: John George http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-765 John George Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:04:22 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-765 Allow me one word of clarification to my last post. I think the Electric Fence Blog is extremely valuable in pointing out the logical inconsistencies in Proclamation!. As we are told, be wise as serpents, harmless as doves. As for the quotes I attributed to Proclamation! and Colleen Tinker, email me and I can send you documentation of these and many other quotes which reveal the true agenda of Proclamation!. Cut and paste the following email address: TENBLO0@hotmail.com Allow me one word of clarification to my last post. I think the Electric Fence Blog is extremely valuable in pointing out the logical inconsistencies in Proclamation!. As we are told, be wise as serpents, harmless as doves.

As for the quotes I attributed to Proclamation! and Colleen Tinker, email me and I can send you documentation of these and many other quotes which reveal the true agenda of Proclamation!.

Cut and paste the following email address: TENBLO0@hotmail.com

]]> By: John George http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-764 John George Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:38:10 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-764 George Manalov (see his post above) says Des Ford left the SDA Church along with 100s of other pastors. This is not true. Ford continued to be a member of the Pacific Union College SDA Church for many, many years. (I checked on this with the PUC Church several years ago) I know Desmond Ford personally and I know he loves the SDA Church even though he has theological differences with it. When the Church took away his credentials I asked him for his reaction. It was classic! Instead of railing at the Church or at the leadership who defrocked him he simply said, "Every family has its disagreements." He still identified with the Church as "family". I was very impressed! What I see missing in so much of the dialogue between Adventists and Former Adventists is that spirit of "family" expressed by Ford. And while I find much in the Electric Fence Blog to agree with, I fear the "hard" tone only serves to further polarize and harden people in their positions. I must admit it is difficult not to give back to Colleen Tinker (editor of Proclamation!) what she dishes out in the name of truth. When Proclamation boldly proclaims that, "There is nothing salvageable about Adventism" it can make one want to strike back in like kind. When Colleen proclaims that she does not know a single Adventist who knows the real Jesus or she states that Ellen White was led by a familiar spirit guide it is difficult not to respond with a hard edge. It is very disturbing to see website after website after website overtly lying about Adventism and Ellen White. While the Church is FAR from perfect and I do not buy into all its theology it is still my family and it hurts when people attack my family. The Bible tells us, "You will know they are Christians by their love." That should be a GRAVE WARNING to all of us!! George Manalov (see his post above) says Des Ford left the SDA Church along with 100s of other pastors. This is not true. Ford continued to be a member of the Pacific Union College SDA Church for many, many years. (I checked on this with the PUC Church several years ago) I know Desmond Ford personally and I know he loves the SDA Church even though he has theological differences with it.

When the Church took away his credentials I asked him for his reaction. It was classic! Instead of railing at the Church or at the leadership who defrocked him he simply said, “Every family has its disagreements.” He still identified with the Church as “family”. I was very impressed!

What I see missing in so much of the dialogue between Adventists and Former Adventists is that spirit of “family” expressed by Ford. And while I find much in the Electric Fence Blog to agree with, I fear the “hard” tone only serves to further polarize and harden people in their positions.

I must admit it is difficult not to give back to Colleen Tinker (editor of Proclamation!) what she dishes out in the name of truth. When Proclamation boldly proclaims that, “There is nothing salvageable about Adventism” it can make one want to strike back in like kind.

When Colleen proclaims that she does not know a single Adventist who knows the real Jesus or she states that Ellen White was led by a familiar spirit guide it is difficult not to respond with a hard edge.

It is very disturbing to see website after website after website overtly lying about Adventism and Ellen White. While the Church is FAR from perfect and I do not buy into all its theology it is still my family and it hurts when people attack my family. The Bible tells us, “You will know they are Christians by their love.” That should be a GRAVE WARNING to all of us!!

]]> By: Ventego http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-651 Ventego Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:53:16 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-651 Thank you! You often write very interesting articles. You improved my mood. Thank you! You often write very interesting articles. You improved my mood.

]]> By: Ventego http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-602 Ventego Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:37:06 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-602 Are you a professional journalist? You write very well. Are you a professional journalist? You write very well.

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]]> By: George Manolov http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-578 George Manolov Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:24:42 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-578 Many SDA pastors left the church based on doctrinal disagreement and many stay in the church not agreeing with every teaching, but being afraid to speak up... Why is it so hard to believe that Sondra's father left the Adventist church based on disagreement with Investigative Judgement doctrine? Des Ford did and 100's of pastors with him... And why not share his conviction with his daughter? I talk to my 10 and 12 year old children like adults and it's amazing how well they understand if you don't treat them like babies... 350,000 people leave the Adventist church every year (Official SDA data from 2000 to 2005, I'll be happy to provide the statement). Go ahead and tell me that these people are all confused or they were never "solid" Adventists to begin with. I'm praying for you, brother! Many SDA pastors left the church based on doctrinal disagreement and many stay in the church not agreeing with every teaching, but being afraid to speak up… Why is it so hard to believe that Sondra’s father left the Adventist church based on disagreement with Investigative Judgement doctrine? Des Ford did and 100’s of pastors with him… And why not share his conviction with his daughter? I talk to my 10 and 12 year old children like adults and it’s amazing how well they understand if you don’t treat them like babies…

350,000 people leave the Adventist church every year (Official SDA data from 2000 to 2005, I’ll be happy to provide the statement). Go ahead and tell me that these people are all confused or they were never “solid” Adventists to begin with. I’m praying for you, brother!

]]> By: Gail Frankie http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-575 Gail Frankie Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:24:34 +0000 http://www.sabbathschoollessons.com/blog/2009/05/16/septemberoctober-2008-proclamation-%e2%80%93-the-brickell-story-objection-relevance/#comment-575 I know Sondra Brickell. The decent thing you could have done is print her whole story before you decided to twist and tear it apart. Of course this is to be expected from an attorney. You claim you are after Lam, etc. but who you are really after are people who put their stories out there for others to read who may be questioning their church and the teachings. It really breaks my heart that sda's can not graciously let people leave in good standing without putting them on a guilt trip. I know Sondra Brickell. The decent thing you could have done is print her whole story before you decided to twist and tear it apart. Of course this is to be expected from an attorney.

You claim you are after Lam, etc. but who you are really after are people who put their stories out there for others to read who may be questioning their church and the teachings. It really breaks my heart that sda’s can not graciously let people leave in good standing without putting them on a guilt trip.

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